"...news gathering is not to be confused with opinion writing or bloviating — including that practiced here. Opinions can be stimulating and, for the audiences at Fox News and MSNBC, cathartic. We can spend hours surfing the posts of bloggers we like or despise, some of them gems, even as we might be moved to write our own blogs about local restaurants or the government documents we obsessively study online.
"But opinions, however insightful or provocative and whether expressed online or in print or in prime time, are cheap. Reporting the news can be expensive."
The Internet is Killing America's Free Press and Why It Matters
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karrie said:
I enjoyed reading your post, you reached some fundamental principles of journalism and you made some good points about them. I don't think journalism will ever be gone, and I am not pessimistic about it, maybe the Internet is the source that will bring journalism back to objectivity, people are getting harder and harder to manipulate. And yes, journalism will change but it doesn't have to be a bad change... Karrie, reputation management online
sheilapilapil said:
A news can never give any benefits to people if they can't just react and tell what they feel. I agree with minerva, before, you can never say even a single word but with the internet, every body is voicing out and it's helping a lot.MinervaRogers said:
New media will always be changing and I think press has never been free with the Internet. Ordinary people can voice out their opinion without being afraid or pressured at all, unlike before.Health Talk and You | Hairstyles and Nails
TomAnderson3 said:
It is the role of blogs and social media to produce content. The real news organizations as you call them are responsible for producing news and as long as there are people asking and willing to pay for this news, these organizations will not be doomed. It is the law of Supply and Demand.
CDRates said:
It's hard to figure out a way for the internet and standard newspapers to coexistPortlandwindowclean said:
"Into this murky, highly politicized environment, comes social media--blogs, video-equipped cell phones, massively trafficed user-generated content aggregation sites like YouTube and suddenly everyone had all the tools they need to become a "citizen journalist."I couldn't have said it better myself. It definitely has it's pros and cons I would agree.
MCGLLP said:
I for one am confident that in the free market of ideas (in this case news reporting) that people can discern the good journalism from the bad. There is a revolutionary website that allows people to determine what is news and what is not and what gets displayed on their network of 1000s of websites and what does not. Member rated *news* is invested in by its merit and worthiness by its membership. They are essentially funding the free press through a networked information economy.CharlotteAnne said:
I agree wholeheartedly about Strunk & White. That book was required reading in the journalism courses I taught at the university, from the basic Jour 102, to courses in digital journalism, multiplatform reporting and interviewing.I also found that when I had students do writing exercises on Twitter, they quickly grasped core Strunk & White concepts, including brevity, clarity and the active voice.
JerryB said:
One of the big losers in the shift to "user generated content" has been grammar and spelling. There are no trained journalists who don't know the difference between "its" and "it's," for example, or "your" and "you're." Â If you read much on the web, it's fairly clear that most Americans missed that day of class or don't consider such things important enough to bother to learn. Â If I were king, no one would ever be allowed to blog or leave a comment until they had read, and passed a test on, Strunk & White's The Elements of Style. Â I think even Charlotte Anne might agree with me on this one.KirkPetersen said:
Curse you, Bowles, you just enticed me into spending far too much of my afternoon reading the post, reading the comments, and following some of the links.
In a less light-hearted way, curse you, Charlotte-Anne Lucas, for undermining your own valid argument by resorting to invective and ad hominem attacks. I agree that Jerry overstates his case by implying that there are NO examples of Internet-grown quality journalism. But you would be more persuasive if you delivered your views in a civil manner.
Journalism DOES matter. Newspapers DON'T own journalism -- but they've been the most important source of it for hundreds of years. Unfortunately, their business model is utterly doomed. I think there always be some market for print on paper, but as portable readers and wireless technology continue to improve, there will be even less reason to spend $1.50 on the New York Times to read yesterday's news during this morning's commute.
I don't know what it will look like, but I think technological advances will help provide some solution. (I also think technology ultimately will solve global warming, but that's an argument for a different website.)
Finally, and only partly as an excuse to link back to my own blog, I can't let the juxtaposition in one blog post of Jon Stewart, MSNBC and Fox News pass without offering Stewart's brilliant take on the passing of the torch from what I like to think of as Faux News to MSDNC.
MCGLLP said:
The "free press" of late has only been free for those who have owned a press.There is something to be said for media conglomerates and their stranglehold on the airwaves. Print media is dying as we all know, but so is the idea that people can live off the Internet for relatively clean and factual news. Nevertheless people can find good sources of alternative "news" on the Internet that tells the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey once did.
Let's remember that people vote with their feet and they find the media that most often supports their beliefs and slant on the world. That is why Social Networking is huge right now. Everyone wants to find their niche while bonding with like minds.
There is a shift coming soon where paid for content will return to the net, but Internet users will ultimately determine what makes the *news*. I'm heavily involved with such a Internet news company that is building that model right now, and it will and has been successful to date. What is successful you may ask? Paying subscribers and happy customers.
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GaryHoff said:
Really good debate to get going. Andrew Keen touched on some of these points at Next09 in Hamburg. I really fear for the loss of quality in depth reporting. I think there are a few models that could work but the US may need to change it's mind set around only free market only funded news. I believe we need 3 models for a free press.
1. State funded news. Here in the UK we have the BBC one of the most respected news sources in the world. There is a debate right now that some of our tax payers license fee should go towards supporting other local, regional and national news away from the BBC. I think this could be a good thing as long as it is monitored and audited away from state control as the BBC is. This keeps the BBC impartial, non-political and non-commercial.
2. Ad funded free market press. We have both right and left leaning press here and its a good thing it challenges the BBC and each other so we have a good healthy 3 points of debate going on constantly. These guys are struggling to find new ad models but they will get there. I would be looking at a syndication model across all news websites, pay as you go model like News Corp are thinking about but across all titles. Similar to my twitter feed set up of, WSJ, FT, BBC, Guardian, Telegraph, NY Times, Fox, Aljazera, Rueters, Times and the Economist.
3. Social Media - Letting people have their say is a good thing, it builds traffic and healthy debate like this one we are having now to discuss fact, fiction and the in between. I don't see social press as being a replacement for professional journalism it's un-checked, under-funded and to subjective. All the ref of stories built from social media always lead to the mob angry or sensational tabloid headlines, swine flu (turned out to not be a pandemic) landing on hudson river (it's a miracle) but as Bowles points out indepth dangerous reporting that takes money and a crack team to report on. This un covering the truth and not making more noise is what professional journalism is about. I think social media has a role to play in the debate, traffic and adding more insight (Mubai twitters good example) to the stories but as the Telegraph here in the UK has proved with the bomb shell of MPs expenses, good solid investigation and reporting drives readership and truth.
This is a great debate I hope it will continue.
AxelSchultze said:
Interesting conversation, full of emotions no constructive resolution. - Jerry you said once never bullshit a bullshitter. Remember?Sorry but I have to say this - this is bullshit in so many ways. Research and accuracy is one thing and mixing up topics is another thing.
You state "The Internet is killing Americas free press". Total BS. Incorrect and highly opinionated THIS IS one of the reasons that killed the "free press": Throw out a catchy headline to get attention and then write what you want.But lousy journalism is only the result of another much deeper reason: The change in business model
The press changed from information aggregation and publishing to advertising distribution. I blogged about this in more detail at Customer Think here: http://www.customerthink.com/blog/what_publishers_killed_may_kill_blogger_too
And as a result journalistic content lost in quality and value, made up news gained in importance and the top influencer and advertiser did the rest.
The Internet would have been a blessing to publishers if they'd stick to their original business model. But that is over - now there is ululations and blubbering.
But the information consumer is up for more information faster. The one who understands the information consumer will create a healthy and profitable business model - the one who is only caring about their job and their living - may bite the dust.
The right mix of journalism and citizen news contribution, instantly put together in a easy to consume form and omnipresent is what we need and will see - sooner or later. And we will pay for it. Not 65$ a month but maybe 65 cent - enough to build a highly profitable, multi million dollar empire - without a single piece of advertising. I present the model next week in my keynote to one of the US publishers associations.
GregGross said:
wow, great peice jerry. i totally agree with you on the citizen journalism bit. if news organizations can get joe nobodies on the street to gather news and then have an editor put together a quick story, they are going to do it. it's scary. i'm a trained journo myself and as of late, i've been asking myself if i should continue in the field or just give it up. i firmly beleive in journalism and can't imagine what life would be without a newsaper tucked under my arm each morning.
i know that feeling you described in that movie scene. i've spend many, many long days and nights calling people and researching and fact checking even the smallest detail. it once took me over an hour of continuous work to write a one inch brief because the original facts didn't check out. in the end, we got the facts right and we ran it. the brief had to do with a nursing home fighting their propery tax bill because they were tax exempt and the school district didn't want to give in. i doubt many people read that, but i at least knew it was in the paper and that everything was correct. i'd like to see a blog put that much work into a 30 word post.
p.s. you should check out http://www.stuffjournalistslike.com/ you'll get a laugh in these dark times.
JerryB said:
Thanks for the lecture, Charlotte Anne. Â I'm glad you're enjoying the Kool-Aid. I would simply point out that this is an opinion piece which means it is my interpretation of the facts. Â I may disagree, for example, with George Will on whether global warming is real or question the legitimacy of his sources but I would defend his right to publish his opinion. Â Surely, you didn't miss that day at journalism school?DodgeHoover said:
Charlotte-Anne... Facts don't matter anymore because they can be legitimized and manuiplated at will now that public relations is the new news medium. Storytelling is the new facts. Jerry is on message and print model is failing. TMP has become a bit full of itself, elitist, and as "officialist" as TASS and Pravda ever were. It's Beltway Bait, make nice to K Street. They need to worry about blowing their sources just like Campbell Brown and Doyle McManus. As someone who is paid to advocate you should know that. TMP owes its success to a failing print model who wanted one of "their own" in an effort to coopt bloggers into the mix. From Tom Wicker to Willie Morris to Josh Marshall, the torch is passed. Unfortunately the ROI didn't go with it.CharlotteAnne said:
Jerry -Once again, I encourage you to check your facts and stop passing off inaccurate statements as if they were true simply because you assert them.
In fact, TPM is an example of journalistic excellence, as evidenced by the George Polk Award, one of the highest honors in journalism. (Don't take Steve Buttry's or my word for it, here's how the NYTimes described TPM's excellent original reporting that, oh, by the way, brought down the Attorney General of the United States.)
In fact, TheStreet.com had the journalistic huevos to do what papers including the Wall Street Journal wouldn't do: stand up to Goldman Sachs in Goldman's front yard over selective disclosure in IPOs. (Don't take my word for it, read Regulation FD which resulted from TSC's stories.) I believe that qualifies as "resisting the demons."
In fact, there is no evidence that the Internet is "killing the free press" as your headline claims.
In fact, many Internet-based news organizations are doing the job of the free press.
I have no earthly idea how or why you are invoking "citizen journalists" or what job you see them doing after "training" to understand "the standards for publication ...and... to try to put aside their personal opinions and follow the facts whereever they lead."
But speaking of training and facts ...
I've spent a fair amount time in the editor's seat, in print and online. I think I can say from my experience that a good editor in either medium would have kicked your original piece back for inadequate sourcing, attribution and told you to do way more fact-checking.
Your follow-ups and replies have not changed my view.
If you work at it, I'm sure you can find some training in the standards for publication, learn how to do some fact-checking, and -- pretty please -- get an editor!
HeatherDworkin said:
Jerry, good points. The Sarah Lacy interview with Mark Zuckerberg touches on some of your arguments. Mobjacking, crowd anger stepping all over crowd wisdom and passing for citizen journalism. The good stories you mention became good because information leaked out and the stories got legs, it wasn't source journalism. Information streams so quickly and will stream even faster which means official sources, like governments, get caught up in the stream too. And what happens to quality? Online advertising isn't strong enough yet to subsidize or monetize a business model that can cover "all the news that's fit to print" (or blog or tweet for that matter).JerryB said:
Folks, let me clear. Â I am not defending newspapers. Â I don't care if people get their news from the internet, the back of a Wheaties box or from their Dick Tracy wrist watches. As I write in my post, "The question is whether serious journalism can find a new economic model that will allow it to survive and serve its traditional role in society of separating the real news from the bullshit." Â I fervently hope that Steve is right and that there are hundreds of budding reliable local news sources just waiting to blossom into successful news gathering and reporting organizations. Â But, what I care about is the profession of journalism and having a press that is both committed to getting the facts as right and free of bias as possible AND Â big enough to resist the twin demons of government and big business. Â With all due respect, Charlotte Anne, Rupert Murdoch--or someone even worse--could buy all of your examples with their trophy wife's shopping budget for this week and turn them into clones of Fox News. And, let me say again, TPM is an aggregator site--more or less like this one--with an avowed liberal bias and not a consistent and proven news gathering organization. The fact that they actually pay the AP for stuff instead of ripping them off like most other bloggers and have a few interns to put a little topspin on some stories does not make them necessarily credible. Â I believe there is a role for citizen journalism, as long as the people who practice it have enough training to know what the standards for publication are and are willing to try to put aside their personal opinions and follow the facts whereever they lead. Â Trust is something that has to be earned by consistent performance over time. Â Come back to me in a few years with some citizen journalist scoops about conditions at Walter Reed or secret CIA prisons or government wiretapping and we'll talk. Â In the meantime, I have about as much faith in citizen journalists as I have in citizen protologists.stevebuttry said:
Pete, we agree that Mollenhoff was a great journalist (I started at The Des Moines Register a few years after he left). My point about him is that newspaper companies that have failed to innovate (and most of them waited way too long to try) are now buying out great journalists like him. So his only relevance to this discussion is that we need to innovate successfully to support great journalists. And Bragg was a great journalist. His only sin was not disclosing use of stringers and that was SOP at the Times and many other news organizations. They changed the rules on him. Blair broke fundamental and long-established rules like don't steal stuff and don't make stuff up.PeteGoheen said:
Steve I mentioned Mollenhoff because he won a Pulitzer and worked in Des Moines at the Register and Nixon went to him looking for a fair broker in the desparate hours. And because Mollenhoff represented what plain dealing in traditional print journalism was all about. He wasn't in it for the money. You think he wouldt get his hair combed out and his teeth whitened like the big money celebrity journalists do today. Celebrity and sins of ego, style instead of substanac. How can you remonetize what's lost the public trust? As for Bragg, he got way off track and his methods became unsound.CharlotteAnne said:
What Steve said, and ...It severely pisses me off when people make blanket statements about journalism without doing even basic fact-checking or research.
This paragraph is stunningly false:
Name a single Internet-grown news organization of any scale. Name one that does actual news gathering and reporting that is not an extension of a traditional print or broadcast organization. Unless real news organizations like the Washington Post and the New York Times can find a way to be profitable on the net, journalism is doomed. And with it will go one of the essential pillars of a free society.Bull.
First, here's a quick list of just some of the Internet-grown news organizations doing actual news gathering and reporting, including a few that are actually profitable!: TheStreet.com, MarketWatch, Slate, Talking Points Memo, Politco, PegasusNews, NewWest.
Second, as I wrote and backed up with facts and reporting here, Newspapers don't own journalism.
If I had more time I would tear into this astonishingly incorrect statement:
Social media produce content but they rarely produce news.
I could point you to many, many examples of journalism and news in the public interest that was gathered, created and distributed through social media over the past several years. But frankly, it would be more productive all around if you did your own fact-checking and reporting.
You have a perfect right to have wrong opinions, but your opinions lose any credibility when you publish incorrect statements that purport to be facts.
stevebuttry said:
Mark, keep in mind that newspapers never charged for our content. The price of a subscription barely pays for the cost of production and distribution, if that. We always made our money by assembling a large audience and by helping businesses connect with that audience. We need to use the power of digital communication to do that more effectively. If you think a paid-content cartel of the established media with their dwindling staffs will succeed, you haven't been paying attention to the proliferation of local news sites and blogs that would meet the demand for news at no cost to the consumer and that would flourish with the increase in advertising and other business revenue if such a cartel tried to force a paid-content model into the digital marketplace.
Pete, you're right about no solid ground, but the efforts to build a new business model have been weak and the evidence that the old business model won't work in the new environment is overwhelming. You're right that I'm not Clark Mollenhoff. Not sure why you brought him up, but lots of great journalists like him are being bought out now by media companies that have failed to innovate (and increasingly are moving to online-only operations such as Politico and ProPublica or local operations like those I mentioned before. As for Rick Bragg, he should be lumped with Mollehoff, Baker and other great journalists, not with Blair.
JerryB said:
Well, having lived for a long time (66 years today, in fact), I tend to take the longer view. I'm so old I remember when "nobody would pay" for television either.PeteGoheen said:
@Buttry We live in a stream of time where literacy rates and attention spans are declining and information moves ever faster. There is no solid ground to build any new business model on right now that would create an online version of the great Life vs Look subscription wars of the 1950s and 60s. Loyalty and reputation turn on a dime. George Polk knew that the day he went for a walk in Greece and his brother knew too... If we were trading media star baseball cards, would you trade me a Rick Bragg and a Jayson Blair for a Clark Mollenhoff or Russell Baker? And, Mr Buttry, you're no Clark Mollenhoff.MarkLazen said:
Steve--You say that the paid content model has been "tried and tried and tried" and conclude that it can't work. But the Internet challenge to the newspapers is only 10 years into its run, tops. I think you'll see a handful of consolidated outlets for national and international news, likely under the imprint of the Times Co. and other big players, and people will pay for that when there is no other source to go to for free. Once there are only a handful of entities providing that service, each free of the burden of manufacturing and distributing print editions and operating at a scale where they only need a few dollars a month from each reader, the industry can stabilize.stevebuttry said:
Jerry, in each of the examples I cited (and let me throw in the Fargo floods and the March 30 earthquake where Twitter spread the word faster than the quake itself moved), I read first-hand eyewitness accounts that were better than some of the media reports. I read pretty much the same mix of hype, overreaction, fact and explanation about swine flu on Twitter (and links from Twitter) as I did from the mainstream media. And your facts are wrong on TPM's role in the U.S. attorneys' scandal. They nailed down their facts before the print/broadcast folks started paying serious attention. They owned that story. That's why they won mainstream journalism's George Polk Award. Opinions aside, they verified, double-sourced and published the truth as well as any ink-stained Cal McAffrey out there.
As for my role with a traditional media company, I see no irony. I have been arguing for a new business model for traditional media for years. Check out my Blueprint for the Complete Community Connection. I work for a media company that is 126 years old, but we know that if we want to make it another 126, we will need a new business model. Nostalgia is not going to get it done.
JerryB said:
And oh, by the way, the irony is not lost on me that I'm the guy in the social media business (this site, among others) and I'm defending traditional media while you're the guy from traditional media who is arguing the case for social media.JerryB said:
Sorry, Steve, but I'm afraid you're mistaking motion for movement. Â A million Tweets by people who weren't present at a news event, didn't see it, have no idea what happened but have an opinion anyway, is worth far less than an accurate dispatch from a single reporter on the ground with access to original sources and the ability to sort out the facts from the rumors and misinformation. Â There was a lot of useful humanitarian information on blogs and Twitter following the Mubai attacks but there was precisely one valuable piece of hard news that came from a social medium--the cellphone photo of one of the attackers. Â Talking Points Memo deserves credit (in my view) for hounding the MSM to focus on the Attorneys story but the verifiable "facts" that we know about who did what when have been unearthed by the real press. Â Not to mention that TPM has a particular, well-identified, bias as one of the most popular liberal blogs so as much as you and I might agree with them, it would be foolish to take everything that is written there at face value (just as it would be foolish to believe everything you read at Little Green Footballs). Opinion is not fact. Âstevebuttry said:
It's hard to know where to start in picking apart this silly diatribe:
- "Social media produce content but they rarely produce news." Well, except in Mumbai, the Hudson River emergency landing, the Denver Continental crash, and, well, pretty much every breaking story these days.
- "Name a single internet-grown news organization of any scale. Name one that does actual news gathering and reporting that is not an extension of a traditional print or broadcast organization." Well, compare Talking Points Memo's coverage of the U.S. attorneys scandal with the pre-war coverage of the weapons of mass destruction by the traditional print and broadcast organizations, as I did in a recent speech. Not to mention local coverage in cities like St. Louis, San Diego, Batavia, NY, and the Twin Cities, which have robuse local internet news-gathering operations.
- Paid content is the "best of possible solutions"? Martin Langeveld has done the math on that (it doesn't add up) and Steve Yelvington has noted that it's been tried and tried and tried.
I share your love for the good old days of newspapers. And I do know the difference between real news and bullshit. Sorry, but this is bullshit.
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